This Link below goes directly to the official Website of ABC TV Australia and Susan’s Interview with their famous Science Show “Catalyst” about Out-of-Body Experiences
Interview filmed: November 2009
Interview aired on ABC TV: February 2010
Switzerland has a proud scientific history. It boasts the largest number of Noble Prizes in the world, per head of population…Albert Einstein did his PhD here in Zurich. But I’ve come to find out about…out-of-body experiences!
–Graham Philips, Host of ABC TV’s Catalyst Science Show-
In a personal Interview at the beginning with Camera’s off, deciding what is going to be filmed of Susan’s unique experiences, she told Mr. Graham Philips and the Filming Crew about her premonitions and dreams she had of future events. To be specific, she claimed to have dreamed exact details of Michael Jackson’s nearing death!
Original Link: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2816872.htm
For Educational Purposes only and scientific research and discussions, here are the original comments from viewers of the TV Show aired: (Courtesy of ABC TV Australia and CATALYST)
Text Copy from: http://www.abc.net.au
Now, this is my story. I know it to be true because I have experienced it. It does not matter to me if people believe me or not, I know it to be true.Out-of-body experiences ARE REAL. But to know it, you must have one, and then be able to prove it to yourself.
I would never try to prove it to someone else. Because I could not – no matter what I say I saw, people would try to explain it so that they don’t have to face the fact that there is so much that we don’t know.
I am a scientist – molecular biology. And everything I study, everything I see is a proof to me of intelligent design.
In ancient times, the scientists were some types of priests because they understood that to understand Life, we also need to understand the spiritual.
Nowadays, scientists feel they must be atheists to be good at what they do.. Not realizing how much more they miss by discarding the spiritual side of life: such as intuition (how many discoveries happened because of that!?! And how do you explain intuition if not by explaining we
I would advise everyone who is interested in this to research this for yourself, through practice.
I have seen documented and demonstrated that a mirror box with your good hand mirrored in place of your bad hand can be a total but temporary relief for the phantom pain and in fact give you the sensation of movement in your bad hand.
This research explains that phenomenon to me more than I have ever seen it explained.
I think that as a spin off to the research that is being done the scientists ought to keep this phenomenon in mind in relation to nerve damaged patients.
Having had an out-of-body experience- it seems to me quite different-I didn’t feel my body, just watched it from above.
They have just proved they can replicate it but haven’t actually disproved anything!
Every human being has an obe every time their physical body falls asleep. Usually though we are completely unaware of the process, we go through it unconsciously and have unconscious dreams instead of seeing where we really are. Scientists studying someone having an obe will only see someone who is asleep, they cannot know what is happening internally.
However it is possible to train ourselves to fall asleep consciously and be aware of the whole process. I and many others have done this and experienced it many times. You know through having the experience yourself that it is not a mere illusion. Any scientist that wants to study obe’s should do so through experiencing it themselves. There are courses and books available that teach how to do it.
The dimensions of space and time are known to science. Science also postulates in quantum physics the likelyhood of there being a fifth dimension due to the way that some sub-atomic particles behave, they appear to be operating under different laws of physics. It is this fifth dimension where obes and near death experiences take place. It is also the same place we go to everynight when we fall asleep and dream or if you are doing it consciously it is also refered to as astral projection or astral travel which is just another way of saying out-of-body experience.
Have you ever been lying in bed thinking whilst waiting to fall asleep and then all of a sudden you get a short but intense falling feeling and your body jolts? That is your astral body entering back into the physical body. The moment before you (your consciousness) were in the astral plane with your physical body asleep but you didn’t realise it.
Obes are natural and safe, we do it every night already except unconsciously, but it is far better to be conscious of what is going on. Then we can use it to our advantage and that is really what it is for. It is a tool for our spiritual evolution which I think is an essential part of human evolution but scientists don’t get anywhere near knowing it unless they practice it for themselves.
If your claim is based purely on this “other dimension” that you speak of (which is NOT the extra dimensions that quantum physics refers to… though, some knowledge of quantum physics is necessary to realize why that’s obvious)
Now, there is wiggling room in the claim that this process is spiritual in a sense that cannot be in any way measure through experiment. In that case, however, that means that there cannot be any evidence of it… especially since all of the symptoms of it can be replicated and explained through entirely physical means.
In that case, the burden of proof lies of the people making the claim. That is, if I claim there is a magic teapot that grants wishes in orbit around jupiter, but it cannot be observed through any physical means (except that I KNOW it’s there)… you are in no way expected to believe that teapot is there. So… you claim there is some sort of special, spiritual component to this physical phenomenon, yet you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim except that you KNOW it to be so.
Therefore, don’t be surprised when people tell you to take your crackpot teapot ideas somewhere else.
In this case David states there is a method for science to legitimately study OBEs, yet all I see in this show is the attempt to discredit the experience via a scientific method, which incidentally begins with the hypothesis that OBEs are tricks of the brain resulting in a realistic illusion, therefore condemning the subject to closure before a thorough investigation has even taken place.
If someone told me of a magical teapot I might be more inclined to ask “how do you know this? how can I get one? what must I do?” rather than tell the person to go walking.
After all, a wish granted is a pretty wonderful thing and if someone stated you could have that all the time, would you not be at least a little inclined to inquire?
Dr Sam Parnia at the University of Southampton is currently conducting a verifiable study of ‘what is being seen’ during near death experiences. Perhaps the results due in 2011 will be worth Catalyst’s attention in the name of a more thorough reporting.
I have been having OBE’s for many years, the first being in 1989.
I fully understand that when I have tactile hallucinations that my physical body is actually in motion,
creating the ‘illusion’ that the movement is actually taking place in my out of body.
It was great to see this confirmed with your research!
I am hoping you may be able to enlighten me on two things.
The first, whilst bizarre, may have the simplest explanation, and the second is a little more complex.
Toward the end of one OBE I experienced last year I found myself, seemingly prematurely, awaken from the experience.
I was not sure if I was back in my body, because I was conscious, my eyes were open, I couldn’t move my head,
but I could see clearly around my room.
I felt paralysed, except for my arms, and being able to have eye movement.
(incidentally, a nuerologist diagnosed me in 1990 as having sleep paralysis)
To assure myself that my OBE had finished I waved my arms in front of my face.
I was in absolute shock to experience that whilst I was waving my arms in front of my face, I could not see them,
yet everything alse was clear. I repeated this about 3 times to no avail.
I felt I was in limbo, experiencing a kind of death.
I panicked, and closed my eyes and tried to relax, and eventually was back to normal.
It was a frightening experience like I had no arms, and the waving were from phantom limbs.
What explanation could you subscribe to this?
Secondly, on a number of occassions I have experienced an OBE without leaving my body.
My functioning ‘out of body’, is still within my body.
The above (1) is perhaps some type of example of this. Similar, however, not the same.
In these instances I recieve an incredible energy from within my brain, that is transferred to my hands.
My hands feel an incredibly amount of what seems powerful magnetic energy.
In these circumstances I am able to manoevere my hands ‘out of body hands’ (my actual hands are motionless)
Using my discretion I move them about one inch above my skin to a position which I gain most control.
Kind of like using the controls of a Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator (T.E.N.S unit)
If I move them too fast, they become painful, and if they are too close to the skin, they lose energy.
I then manoevere them over my body and the magnetic energy seems optimum.
I have on the odd occass
This way of meditatively processing the event can result in experiencing a sense of release or ‘healing’. People tend to then feel significantly better about the incident. Negative symptoms associated with the experience will tend to dissapate.
GerryC – 11 Dec 2011 9:07:15am
Can I remind readers that personal anecdotes do not constitute evidence of OBEs. Otherwise my magical OBE sandals would be worth millions on ebay.